Astra G NCDR 1100 and cid investigation

milo

evocarlos said:
this came in the post not sure why i didn't get one in the 1st place lol
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Because that would've made it too easy 😉

evocarlos

yeah lol the issue is this one is the plug that locks into the cage but it dont have the wires for the screen :S

Dave_Gilbert

Scrap it hahahhaa.

I need help if anyone gets a minute who knows how to ise op-com. Carl😉

evocarlos

Dave Gilbert said:
Scrap it hahahhaa.

I need help if anyone gets a minute who knows how to ise op-com. Carl😉

sorry mate just got you txt had no sleep on sunday night so fell asleep early last night

Dave_Gilbert

No worries.
cheers

evocarlos

modded a psu pin tool so i can add the wires to the new plug 🙂

evocarlos

added some wires to the new plug and matched them to the stock plug

ncdr 1100 error codes most cleared but #28 and #195

cid codes
#166 is cause its not plugged in lol
still working on the cd changer

evocarlos

Pin assignment CDC3 changer on Opel Opel Mini Iso Iso and standard
Here is the pinout of the connector changer CDC3.

So let's start at the plug changer, this looks like this:

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Recent model years from 2003, so also have this connector:

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Should be to look at the pinout to open the connector that you can pull out the side for use:

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If you use then get out the assignment should look like this:

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Pinbelung 01-06:

Pin 01: Can Bus line Color: white
Pin 02: Ground (-): Brown
Pin 03: Not Connected
Pin 04: Diagnostic Cable color: brown / white
Pin 05: shield from pin 06 & 12 Color: black
Pin 06: Audio signal right or left: white

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Pinbelung 07-12:

Pin 07: Can Bus color: green
Pin 08: Ground (-): Brown
Pin 09: continuous current 12V Color: red
Pin 10: Ground (-): Brown
Pin 11: Not Connected
Pin 12: Audio signal right or left color: yellow (partly also in red)

Thus, the plug changer would be done, we come to the two different plug on the radio.

Plug for CCRT / NCDR Radio's:

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Pin assignment connector to the radio plug changer:

Pin 21 Pin 06 on radio changer
Pin 22 Pin 05 on radio changer
Pin 23 Pin 12 on radio changer
Pin 25 to Pin 01 33 Radio changer
Pin 32 Pin 07 on radio changer
Pin 27 is connected to pin 04 radio changer (pin 04 changer is connected to pin 03 diagnostic connector!)

Plug for CCR Radio's:

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Pin assignment connector to the radio plug changer:

Pin 26 Pin 06 on radio changer
Pin 20 Pin 05 on radio changer
Pin 21 Pin 12 on radio changer
Pin 24 Pin 01 on radio changer
Pin 25 Pin 07 on radio changer
Pin 19 to Pin 4 changer radio is connected (pin 04 changer is connected to pin 03 diagnostic connector!)

Power & speaker connector pinout Radio NCDR & CCR / CCRT

Pin 01 = radio remote control (steering wheel)
Pin 02 = W terminal (terminal 15)
Pin 03 = free
Pin 04 = ground (terminal 31)
Pin 05 = speed signal
Pin 06 = free
Pin 07 = terminal RC
Pin 08 = Permanent positive (terminal 30)

Pin 09 = Right Rear Speaker +
Pin 10 = front right speaker +
Pin 11 = Front Left +
Pin 12 = Left Rear Speaker +
Pin 13 = Right Rear Speaker -
Pin 14 = front right speaker -
Pin 15 = front left -
Pin 16 = Left Rear Speaker -

going to leave this here its translated and pictures included trying to make sence of it

evocarlos

more food for thought
By the way, I add here the unit's wiring diagram 3 CDC (CD changer)

This unit also works in CAN bus network, with the rest of the system is connected to the network in parallel with the NCDR 1100 and the CID (Color Info Display).

To "marry" the system, it is necessary to come unmarried previous system, and we need to decouple the whole current system, however connect it, and to remarry all equipment.

A process that is done with the Tech II Opel, and relatively time consuming.

In the end, everything works properly!

Here is the pinout designed by me:

Record of 12 pins for CDC:

01 - E-Bus DLL (CAN BUS Low) to pin 33 of the NCDR 1100
02 - Not Used
03 - Not Used
04 - Diagnosis signal to pin 27 of the NCDR 1100
05 - Negative common audio to pin 22 of the NCDR 1100
06 - Signal + audio left pin 21 of the NCDR 1100
07 - E-Bus DLH (CAN BUS High) to pin 32 of the NCDR 1100
08 - Pasta
09 - Positive - 12 Volt (Fuse F34)
10 - Pasta
11 - Not Used
12 - Signal + Audio right to pin 23 of the NCDR 1100

Legend:

Blue Bold - Links Can Bus network.
Green - unused pins
Black - Common Diagnostic sign the NCDR 1100
Brown - CDC 3 Audio Signal
Blue - Power Signs

evocarlos

ooo 🙂 light on the cd changer is now flashing meaning its not coded
its a tight fit in the 2nd slot

couple of issues
the lights on the wheel controls stay on far too long
and im not sure how long the stereo stays on once the key is removed and you turn it on

Djice74

Hey dude nice work as always been looking at most of ur posts, your one clever muther f****r. Keep it up.
Got some bits over Christmas from ebay, climate control and nav pack from a zaf gsi so hopefully will make the job a bit easier. May have spares too if anyone is interested.
I know this is a astra thing but pretty much the same so will also upload more photos showing in more details what the bits look like loom and stuff.

evocarlos

took out pin 3 and 6 from the plug to see what the difference was the wheel control lights now extinguish 5secs after the door shuts

i have also moved the unit to the top slot 🙂

evocarlos

Djice74 said:
Hey dude nice work as always been looking at most of ur posts, your one clever muther f****r. Keep it up.
Got some bits over Christmas from ebay, climate control and nav pack from a zaf gsi so hopefully will make the job a bit easier. May have spares too if anyone is interested.
I know this is a astra thing but pretty much the same so will also upload more photos showing in more details what the bits look like loom and stuff.

looks good 🙂 did the ncdr not come with the cid ?

wonder if you're willing to send me a copy of the nav cd ? 🙂

evocarlos

£6 gps aerial installed and with the car outside ive got the GPS in green to show its connected to satellites 🙂
still getting 30+mpg even without the engine installed lol

had a mate round today with tech2 so we could sort the cd changer but due to technical difficulties with the tech2 unit no connection was made

Dave_Gilbert

Oh dear

evocarlos

painted the trim 🙂

just waiting for it to dry

off to see pecky on friday to retrieve the code for the ncdr1100 and screen 🙂 turns out that inside the screen there is an eeprom that can be read and the code retrieved

evocarlos

re did the trim i used the wrong can of starsilver lol it looks better now

and thanks to pecky ive got a code for the paired screen and radio
also rebuilt the 1st unit to find its in delivery mode so i can pick which one i want to use lol

Dave_Gilbert

More smds to replace on the other head unit then?

Did u use aerosol star silver?

I need some for my new spoiler coming.

milo

evocarlos said:
re did the trim i used the wrong can of starsilver lol it looks better now
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and thanks to pecky ive got a code for the paired screen and radio
also rebuilt the 1st unit to find its in delivery mode so i can pick which one i want to use lol
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The console on the left looks rather familiar :p

Djice74

evocarlos said:
looks good 🙂 did the ncdr not come with the cid ?

wonder if you're willing to send me a copy of the nav cd ? 🙂

Hey mate you good thus site is long sometimes didn't see that quote until now.
About the copy was that to me. Of course if you still want it let me know its just sitting around doing nothing

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