new mot rules from dec 2011

pottsey

copied from another site ,seems you cant have anything nowadays

some news of changes to the MOT from December 2011, now unfortunately it is going to be bad news for some ..............

HID lights ie the kit we all like that gives us brilliant headlights, this will be made an MOT failure if these are fitted, now obviously if you can fool the tester into thinking its Xenons then all well and good however they are apparently going to be well briefed on how to tell.

ECU chipped, unfortunately they have found a way of telling through the OBD port (diagnostic plug) on how to tell if the engine is chipped and if chipped you guess it its an MOT failure.

Wiring harness security and condition, they will now do a visual check on wiring harnesses to make sure they are not chaffing etc and that all is secure again MOT failure if adrift etc.

Airbag warning lights illuminated will again be a failure if illuminated.

There are a few other changes but I think this is the biggest things that will affect most of us guys. This info came straight from VOSA so is legitimate

Originally Posted by Vosa
Commission Directive 2010/48/EU of 5 July 2010 adapted Directive 2009/40/EC. Article 2 of Directive 2010/48/EU requires Member States to comply with it by 31 December 2011 at the latest. Annex II and specifically the table at paragraph 4 lists the minimum inspection requirements. We will be working with the Department for Transport and the industry to ensure that we introduce the new Directive requirements in a pragmatic way that satisfies the Commission's intentions. In all cases below the test method is visual and from 1 January 2012 vehicles may fail the MOT test for the following reasons:

Item 4.1.4 deals with the lamp source and lamp compatibility.
Item 6.1.9 deals with Engine Performance and we know how difficult it is going to be to both define and identify "illegal" chipping.
Item 4.11 deals with electrical wiring security and condition
Item 7 deals with safety belts and restraint systems that includes airbag systems missing or malfunction indicator lights illuminated indicating a defect.

There will be consultation on the contents of our Inspection Manual in due course where there will be an opportunity to comment on our proposals.

rushy

Admin on Vec C is some sort of Senior MOT examiner, I think he tests the testers or something like that. He's just come back from a refresher coarse and nothing was mentioned about any of these changes. The only changes being made for 2011 are brake disks can now be passed with pitting, scoring and even corrosion, only severely weakened disks will fail, oh, yea, you no longer have to flick lamps to see if they flicker. The consensus is the article is bogus.

Matt

Also, with regards to ECU chipping, even Vauxhall can't tell if an ECU is mapped. They have to send the ECU to TMS, so I highly doubt every MOT centre is going to have the technology to check.

vocky

what about cars running standalone ecus, can't see it happening to be honest notsure.gif

mazza_2_2

And by sending the ECU to TMS??? By that you mean physically sending the ECU chip itself or the data stored within it?

I cant think for any reason why an ECU remap would be a failure unless this is another revenue generating exercise. dunno..

rushy

mazza 2.2 said:
And by sending the ECU to TMS??? By that you mean physically sending the ECU chip itself or the data stored within it?

I cant think for any reason why an ECU remap would be a failure unless this is another revenue generating exercise. dunno..

VX are keeping tabs on us mate. We've had a few cases on Vec C where cars within warranty have been turned down warranty work because of suspected tuning, mainly dues to tuning boxes on CDTi's. Dealers have has staff sign up just to check out certain members threads and then there's the aforementioned TMS influence. What i think is bang out of order is TMS will give you map and cover anything that isn't covered by VX concerning tuning under there own warranty. So really if you want to keep it all above board to either use TMS or its there tools that shop you to VX.

And guess what, the Insignia logs any ECU access, so no more BSR map or tuning box as VX just plug it in and its all there. It even states in the handbook that basically the police can download info from your ECU in the event of an accident as it stores a hell of a lot of data including speed.

si_c1978

just as well my local garage i use prefer to have a chat, and only have the bonnet open to look like they are doing something!
you will fail there if its unsafe, but handy excuses like, "you must have hit something with your wing mirror after you left" is always aprreciated!! :thumbup:

Daz

Will do some checking in work today.

MikeS

when you read an ecu you get a breakdown of the hardware & software id's along with manufacture date and software revision

surely remapping an ecu would change the details of an ecu in terms of its software revision etc

mazza_2_2

rushy said:

And guess what, the Insignia logs any ECU access, so no more BSR map or tuning box as VX just plug it in and its all there. It even states in the handbook that basically the police can download info from your ECU in the event of an accident as it stores a hell of a lot of data including speed.

TBH i think VX have done this as a way making there lifetime 10 year warranty worth while, ie if there has been a failure with the engine or electronics but the ECU has been tuned then they are better able to void the warranty with software revision recording.

astra22bertoneauto

Reading this thread has been interesting! Perhaps car manufacturers are intending/have already started making ECU's that will work just like a black box flight recorder. I remember a documentary on TV showing a Range Rover in an accident and they were able to get details of speed etc from one of the ECU's fitted.

So it may be a case that manufacturers are trying to cut out modding new/future cars and i suspect that the new MOT changes reflect that. Wouldnt surprise me as electronics has come a long way now not like the good old days.

I would be interested as well to see if the (ECU test) changes applies to older cars or cars upto a certain year.....

Daz

Cant see the ecu side of the above being implemented for 10 years or more...as vosa cant expect 18000+ mot stations in the uk to go out and buy new hardware to check for these things, tis a bit like window tints, which they did try to implement at one stage, but had to back down as the equipment required would have cost a fortune... hence why u can pass on mot with full tints, and yet still get booked by plod...

vocky

I heard a rumour from a well respected person that vauxhall also swap the ecu during engine or gearbox warranty replacements to check for remaps, especially with the vxr range :silent:

Daz

Looking deeper into the above,,, its taken from Eu directives and the links to said topic are dead... so until it in black and white in the testing manual ...forget about it.... and will probs be on newly registered cars at the time....

Mark_Dj

Is it illegal to tune a car nower days? I thought it was fine dunno.. .Thought they would have said something about louder exhaust systems

Daz

Just disregard all of the above until its on the tv mark....or i say diff...

Mark_Dj

I am still getting my car to stage 1 lol :razz:

Daz

map it to the max...

Mark_Dj

Lol, need to get it fixed first 🙁 . Another lad on Astra Sport said it might be charging too much as the figures for the alt are high dunno.. . I will wait to see if you can dig any more info up :wink:

Daz

14.5 is the norm.. ures was 14.7 so a tad high, but 15v is the limit usually...