Astra G NCDR 1100 and cid investigation

[evocarlos]

collecting some info so far on the installation of the ncdr 1100 and cid

i will add text and rearrange this post later

the kit that i recived


new dash trim and stereo cage


the screen works


on to the wiring the unit came with a full cab loom that i stripped out the parts i required


the ncdr series head units use a different plug like so


i then bought an adapter loom to make a sort of plug and play adapter


also on the ncdr plug are connections for the cid(12pin) and cid (32pin) and a plug for the cdc 4 disc changer
i already have the 4 disc changer so tapping in to its connections should make life easier
it also has one wire that goes to the phone unit plug that mast astras have behind the glove box


found the pinouts for the standard 32pin mfd plug so i could do a comparison


after comparison i found that 6 wires need to be removed and 3 installed
image is left side (cid cab plug) right side is (mfd coupe plug)
left top has a green and white wire removed (marked with yellow dots)
left lower has an extra wire brown/grey that links to the brake pedal
right top needs 4 wires removing (marked with yellow dots) and then the green and white wires need to be installed (orange dots)
right lower just needs 2 pics removing(marked with red dots


next step is to figure out the main head unit plug the bottom 2 iso 8pin's are left the same



i also found this image but it only shows the connection for the extra 12pin plug of the cid that i dont need due to having the part of loom from the cab


more later

if anyone has tis and the wiring diagram for the cid / mfd and the head unit plugs info here would be good to help confirm the wiring

 

[evocarlos]

6 pins out 2in and one to go


compared with the orginal


the standard ccr600 plug


and the pin locations

 

[evocarlos]

A14-36 - Connect - Notes

1 - A14-26 (1) - Power Control
2 - A14-26 (2) - F3.21 5A (+ 12V)
3 - - -
4 - A14-26 (4) - Weight
5 - A14-26 (5) - speed sensor signal
6 - - -
7 - A14-26 (7) - Power Antenna Control
8 - A14-26 (8) - F1.34 20A (+ 12V)
9 - A14-26 (9) - Rear Right -
10 - A14-26 (10) - Front right -
11 - A14-26 (11) - Front left -
12 - A14-26 (12) - Rear left -
13 - A14-26 (13) - Rear Right +
14 - A14-26 (14) - Front Right +
15 - A14-26 (15) - Front left +
16 - A14-26 (16) - Rear Left +


17 - X76 (2) - RGB Red +
18 - X76 (1) - RGB synchronization
19 - X76 (5) - RGB display
20 - - -
21 - A14-26 (26) - A15 (6) - CDC left + (white)
22 - A14-26 (22) - A15 (5) - A14-36 (36) - CDC total - (brown/black)
23 - A14-26 (21) - A15 (12) - CDC + Right (red)
24 - X76 (3) - RGB green +
25 - A14-26 (24) - A14-36 (33) - A15 (1) - X75 (11) - CAN-bus (white)
26 - A14-36 (4) - Weight
27 - A14-26 (19) - A15 (4) - Diagnostic output (brown/white)
28 - - -
29 - X1 (18) - Back-up alarm
30 - X76 (4) - RGB Blue +
31 - X76 (6) - RGB common -
32 - A14-26 (25) - A15 (7) - X75 (10) - High Speed CAN-bus (green)
33 - A14-26 (24) - A14-36 (25) - A15 (1) - X75 (11) - Slow CAN-bus (white)
34 - A14-26 (6) - Telephone MUTE
35 - A14-26 (23) - Telephone Audio + (blue)
36 - A14-26 (20) - Telephone audio - (brown and black)

A14-36 radio connector NCDR1100
A14-26 connector radio CDR500
A15 - connector CD-Changer
X75 LF terminal CID (32PIN)
X76 RF connector CID (12PIN)
X1 connector body front / rear

 

[evocarlos]

had another play with the ncdr and cid
cd player main lights off


cd player lights on


cd got jammed and would not exit it then broke its slef
so i went in to get my cd back lol


plastic guide on the lower left had broken off


the broken bit and where it came from


good job i have spares


also found an old blue tooth gps devce that has a plug may come in handy for the sat nav if i can give the gps device 5v supply


all the other functions were tested only thing left was to get the 4 disc cd changer working
a video

 

[milo]

Very nice bud

 

[Dave Gilbert]

Even had your favourite song on, whats the odds hahahaha

 

[evocarlos]

steps to change the leds in the face


2 screws in the top rear of the case


cut the warranty void sticker and pop the top


same for the bottom once the top and bottom are off there are hooks on the front to unclip it


and its off


after removing the screws on the pcb it comes apart





knobs off and nuts undone to get to the pcb and the led's


testing for different colors red for the flashing code lamp


red for the what i think is the phone buttons


and green next to it


removing all the amber leds one side at a time


all off


cleaning the pads with desolder braid

 

[evocarlos]

30 new white smd leds


all on


the plastics were all washed in hot water with fairy liquid

 

[evocarlos]

cd drive remove from the other unit and fitted to the other


going in the ribbon cables are an arse


installed


new front on with white led's

 

[evocarlos]

normal cd functions return


and as always the led's are to bright lol

 

[Dave Gilbert]

That will be bright at night

 

[evocarlos]

That will be bright at night

going to fit a variable resistor in the illumination feed lol or fit 30 resistors to the pcb

 

[evocarlos]

have been trying to get the steering wheel controls working

think i found out why
the adapter cable i bought was for an aftermarket wheel controller so it had missing wires and wires in the wrong places


i b*****dized a wheel control adapter i had about and fitted the wires in

 

[evocarlos]

steering wheel controls working but the next and previous track buttons are in reverse

not sure on the grey trim

 

[Djice74]

steps to change the leds in the face
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2 screws in the top rear of the case
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cut the warranty void sticker and pop the top
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same for the bottom once the top and bottom are off there are hooks on the front to unclip it
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and its off
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after removing the screws on the pcb it comes apart
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knobs off and nuts undone to get to the pcb and the led's
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testing for different colors red for the flashing code lamp
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red for the what i think is the phone buttons
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and green next to it
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removing all the amber leds one side at a time
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all off
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cleaning the pads with desolder braid
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[Djice74]

Hi mate was searching on the web for information on this upgrade but this is the only recent post available and the work u are doing is top dollar.
I ve got a zafira gsi with the same cid u have and have the ncdr 1100 coming next week is it going to be plug and play with the ISO adapter? Be great if you could help I will upload some photos in a bit to show what I'm running. Basically I mostly want the board computer information running.

Thanks Andrew

 

[evocarlos]

hey Andrew
the wiring is fairly easy the master plug on the ncdr is what controls the screen
the issue is the ncdr1100 and cid screen are paired together so you need both items from the car it came out of unless the screen has been divorced before removal the issue then is it needs tech 2 to be married back together

i am also not finished with the install i still need to get the steering wheel controls to function correct and add the wires to the cd changer and phone unit then i need to get the gps/gsm aerial

 

[Djice74]

Thanks for the quick reply mate heres a few pics of what and how its setup at the moment.

 

[evocarlos]

the ncdr2013
aka ncdr 1100 with a 4 disc cdc double stacked lol


the plug i got with the kit was cut up i also go no cage


spares for mine if the case need be


original cage modded to take the navi plug


and then the gps aerial plug

 

[evocarlos]

this came in the post not sure why i didn't get one in the 1st place lol